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Rebecha Pucontis
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:44:00 -
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Wow... I remember asking about having the Mining Barge skill refunded, and that caused many forum flames. But at least that made sense. Asking for this will cause a forum inferno! |

Rebecha Pucontis
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:47:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:U are right, that's why I am talking about partial recompensation
Compensation for what exactly?
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Rebecha Pucontis
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:52:00 -
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Even better. I trained BC to level V on an alt even though I am never going to use BC with that character. I have no cruiser skills and am Per and Will remapped so will get lots of lovely free unallocated SP in June on that character. :) |

Rebecha Pucontis
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:53:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:But y I am punished for that? Y I have to spend 4x times more than they? Because I am younger? Newer players already heavily disadvantaged
How did you work out you are being punished? And again, what exactly is it that you want compensation for? |

Rebecha Pucontis
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:57:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Wow... I remember asking about having the Mining Barge skill refunded, and that caused many forum flames. But at least that made sense. It made exactly no sense, as mining barges are still in the game and the skill still affects them. This thread makes just as little sense as we knew about the destroyer / battlecruiser changes last summer and had plenty of time to take appropriate action.
And the mining barge skills are universally accepted as the most useful skill in the game too right?... Don't be a muppet. |

Rebecha Pucontis
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:59:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Even better. I trained BC to level V on an alt even though I am never going to use BC with that character. I have no cruiser skills and am Per and Will remapped so will get lots of lovely free unallocated SP in June on that character. :) I thought about this, but in what way does this benefit you over just training skills you would have used in the first place, unless it's just to save a remap. You'll only get back the number of skill points you could have trained in that amount of time anyway.
It is useful as certain skill I wanted to train have pre reqs which are not using the same attributes as the primary skill. So yes basically it saves a remap or two and basically and makes it much easier to plan on evemon. For a relatively new alt it is really nice to have almost 2 mil unallocated points along with the 3 remaps, and I was already remapped to Per and Will so thought I would make the most of it. |

Rebecha Pucontis
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:06:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Virginia Virdana wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: But y I am punished for that? Y I have to spend 4x times more than they? Because I am younger? Newer players already heavily disadvantaged The only thing you are being "punished" for is your lack of forward planning Im two months old. How was I supposed to plan it on time?
CCP are increasing the skill point requirements to fly all pirate faction ship. If every new player were given free SP to compensate them which they could easily spend on skilling up all the pirate faction ships, then what would be the point of CCP implementing the change in the first place. Your logic is pretty bad.
Also look on the bright side, you can fly the orca in 14 days now, where as older players had to spend months training up crappy mining barge skills. |

Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:12:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Personally I'd rather see the whole SP and training system scrubbed or at least totally overhauled.
So basically you want to scrap one of the most unique aspect and biggest draw of the game, and turn the skill system into a Wow clone? |

Rebecha Pucontis
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:15:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Exactly. That's what I'm pointing at. This change itself hits those who have Dessy V and BC V quite a bit but even harder those who don't.
I think most people would agree that making cross training more difficult is a good change. And the previous system wasn't very logical which is why CCP is trying to streamline it. What your basically asking for is for CCP to scrap the proposal so snowflakes like yourself don't get hurt.
If they give everyone free SP then like I said before, there is not point in them making the change in the first place as pirate faction frigs will be just as easy to get into as everyone will have free SP. |

Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:21:00 -
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Braxus Deninard wrote:This, I don't think OP even understands the skill changes at all.
The OP doesn't understand much at all. They don't realise how easy they have it compared to older players these days. A lot of skills which older players spent months training for became irrelevant in previous iterations
I remember training all the learning skills to level V back in the day. Now you don't have to do that. I trained the social connections skills to level V which were then removed, and now you don't have to do that. I spent months training Mining Barge to level V to fly and Orca. And now you can have it in 14 days.
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Rebecha Pucontis
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:22:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:It's not free SP. The time was already spent on training it.
The OP was suggesting that CCP gives him free SP though. |

Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:25:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Noobs/newer players deserve some love too.
Read my post above. New players are getting plenty of love. CCP are constantly producing lots of nice new shiny things for new players to play with. Hell, the main purpose of tiericide was to buff up the lower T1 ships so that new players could better compete with the advanced ships which older players spent months or years training for. |

Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:48:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Having more skill points in total is not necessarily a good thing.
Being able to spend your skill points much more efficiently from this point on is always a good thing.
Exactly this ^ I already had my BC to level V on one of my characters with two of the racial cruiser skills above 3 already. Now, if the aim of the game was simply to maximise SP gain then I could spend a couple of hours getting the other two racial skills to level 3 for a massive gain in SP.
But guess what, that doesn't matter at all. So I kept the two racial cruiser skills I already have as I never intend on using the other two races ship with that character. Total SP is actually a negative point and keeping total SP as low as possible by not training useless skills is actually much better. |

Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:49:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Just as I expected I don't get any support. Mostly fail posts from fail veterans who is trying to celebrate their victory over one person. Why? Because there almost no new players in this game.
You really haven't learnt anything from what people are trying to tell you in this thread have you. |

Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:57:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Having more skill points in total is not necessarily a good thing.
Being able to spend your skill points much more efficiently from this point on is always a good thing. Exactly this ^ I already had my BC to level V on one of my characters with two of the racial cruiser skills above 3 already. Now, if the aim of the game was simply to maximise SP gain then I could spend a couple of hours getting the other two racial skills to level 3 for a massive gain in SP. But guess what, that doesn't matter at all. So I kept the two racial cruiser skills I already have as I never intend on using the other two races ship with that character. Total SP is actually a negative point and keeping total SP as low as possible by not training useless skills is actually much better. Ship skills are far from useless. Being able to fly all races makes u flexible and able to join different corporations with different doctrines.
Why would they want a newb in a caldari cruiser with no missile skills joining their fleets. Or a minmatar pilot with only skills in lasers. Your still not getting the point here. You really have no reason to need all 4 racial battlecruiser to level V, and by the time you do ever need them your character will have so many SP you won't blink an eye lid at training the additional BC skills.
Like I said, if I was following your logic I would train all my cruiser skills to level III as that would only take a couple of hours. But I never intend on training up all the other relevant skills on that character so it would actually be detrimental rather than beneficial. |

Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.23 18:01:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:" Omg. **** u didn't train all skills on time? Haha fail! We planned all ahead and u didn't. NOOB!
Where did I tell you that you didn't train you skills on time? I told you that you really don't need all the BC skills at V, and if you ever do need them that will be such a long time down the road that the extra training time will be almost meaningless.
That and also the fact that your whinging that older players had it so easy and new players have it so hard these days, which is laughable. :)
Also, you still have a month left, so plenty of time to get your skills up if you really want them that much. |

Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.23 18:12:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:pretty sure if the OP stops whining, and updates their skill queue, they could probably get all racial frigs to IV, all racial cruisers to III, destroyers to V, and battlecruisers to IV before june 4th.
Even if OP didn't manage to get BC and Dest completely to level V, they would be at least a good 90% of the way there and so would get all the racial BC and Dest skills given to her almost fully completed in the next expansion.
With a Per and Will remap over 1 month is almost certainly enough time to max them out though.
Edit - Looks like Dave confirmed it in evemon also ^ So OP you really have no excuse to whine. Now get out of our sight :) |

Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.23 18:24:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:It boils down to the fact that training will be much easier for new pilots, especially since new pilots need to specialize to be effective.
Meanwhile, it will be much hard for older pilots to cross train into different racial ships.
Pretty much the exact opposite of what you believe to be the case.
If you are too ignorant to understand this, I don't know what to tell you.
Exactly. I tried explaining this to the OP but she still thinks we are all just trolling her. lol
The whole purpose of tiericide is to make it easier for new players to compete with veterens.
You can get an orca now in 14 days when vets had to spend months training for it to name just one example. So I really have very little sympathy for you at all. I'm glad CCP are making it easier for you, but you still have the audacity to complain. |

Rebecha Pucontis
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Posted - 2013.04.23 21:10:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:I want official CCP response.
LOL hahahah. The OP thinks they are going to get an official CCP response for this???..... *Resumes Laughing Hysterically!" :)
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Rebecha Pucontis
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Posted - 2013.04.23 21:34:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Black Cadelanne wrote:This is exactly the attitude of today's society. Do nothing and get it all I'm not supposed to do anything. I pay for this game as everyone else. But I see that I'm put into disadvantageous position over older players by CCP change (concerning combat ships) and I don't like. All posts like 'deal with it' are not valid here. I want official CCP response.
Lets revert the Orca change so you have to spend months training mining barge to fly it instead of 14 days.
Lets revert all the learning skills so you have to train them all up before training something which you want to train.
Lets revert all the tiericide changes so you have to spend months training into a tech 2 ship before you can compete with more advanced players.
CCP is doing a lot for newbies like yourself which older players didn't have, and yet you just complain more. |

Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.23 21:43:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:But EVE players played EVE too much and so here all I get is: 'EVE is harsh. Deal with it. etc.' U guys forgot that EVE just a game.
Eve is one of the best games available and has been going for almost ten years because CCP doesn't listen to tards like you. Tards who will constantly complain that they want everything instantly, and as a result cause the game to be dumbed down so much that it becomes a rubbish version of pink ponies online. You and others of your ilk may have achieved that in other games, but the only solution you will get to your self entitled complaints in Eve is to biomass yourself. |

Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.23 22:03:00 -
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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote: On June 4, you will have it - despite having never trained it. As a result, you will be able to fly 3 Amarr battlecruiser-class ships.
You also don't have Caldari Battlecruiser V right now. You don't have it, you can't train for it.
On June 4, you will have it - despite having never trained it. As a result, you will be able to fly 3 Caldari battlecruiser-class ships.
OP does not have Amarr Battlecruiser V trained right now. She doesn't have it, she can't possibly train it.
On June 4 . . . still won't have it. Doesn't get the gift that you are getting - a brand new skill - and it is a gift, as you did not train all four racial battlecruisers up to V. that would take months that you did_not_spend training.
However, you get the equivilant of three free racial skills - while OP is faced with months of additional training (that you did not have to do) in order to match your variety of battlecruisers.
Hence, the need for free SPs to allocate at will.
I decided not to train up two of my racial cruiser skills to level 3 so I won't benefit fully either, I demand free SP also! *sarcasm*
And what about the months of additional training that older players spent on training the Mining Barge when new players don't have to train it now. If CCP aren't reimbursing that then they certainly shouldn't be reimbursing every noob still flying their civilian gatling gunned reaper with the full suite of every battlecruiser skill trained to level V. |

Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.23 22:15:00 -
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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote: Wish some of the more prevalent forum trolls would find better hobbies though
Thats kind of rich coming from someone who just freely admitted to trolling and even compared it to a days work. You are very confused indeed.
Somehow I don't think you were trolling though and just used it as an easy get out when you realised how bad your arguments were. At least you realised it in the end so have to give you some credit for listening to the voices of reason on this forum.
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Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.23 22:33:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:These changes have been known about and announced for something like 6-8 months. Even if you started a char on the day it was first talked about you could EASILY have BC and Dessie 5 by now.
The funny thing is, even if you started a character right now you could max them all out in time for the expansion with the right remap. But the OP would rather whinge on here instead. |

Rebecha Pucontis
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Posted - 2013.04.24 13:19:00 -
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Miles Harker wrote: My intention was to beeline the +5S but this change for odyssey changed that.
Of course I'm going to buy a PLEX when im going to get 6m million additional skill points which is what 3-4 months of subscription charges?
You'd be daft not too...
Smart guy. ^ It's good to see players thinking ahead so early in the game. Perhaps your thinking a little too far ahead though and will lose some enjoyment of the game, so one piece of advice I would give is to set aside some time to train up some skills which will give you some immediate effect alongside the long term planning. What your doing kind of reminds me of how I first started the game, and one regret I have was pinning myself a little to strongly to a long term goal without having the space to train for shorter term immediate goals which came into my mind. |

Rebecha Pucontis
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Posted - 2013.04.24 13:24:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Quote:complains bitterly when people point out your error. How do u detect my bitterness? Telepathy? More likely just a bold phrase (all your phrases are bold actually)
I wonder how on earth anyone could confuse you for being bitter, to me you come across as a happy little butterfly. :)
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Rebecha Pucontis
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Posted - 2013.04.24 13:30:00 -
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Deaconn Frostt wrote:Instead of trying to give reasons why you haven't trained them start looking into possibilities that will get them trained. By getting these trained you will save yourself about 90 days worth of training on all the iv and v racial cruiser training by my calculations, correct me if I'm wrong.
What I find amusing is that you new players do not realise is that training every single racial and battlecruiser to level V is really not necessary at all especially for such young players, and in some cases it is actually detrimental as your skill clone cost is soaring.
But I can't blame you for trying to max out your skills as this knowledge comes with experience. I'm only sticking to two of the racial BC myself as have no need for the other two. My suggestion would be to go for level IV on each skill, that will give you more that enough benefit and you will still be capable of flying each BC if you wish for a fraction of the time. Then you can train soemthing which is actually fun. :) |

Rebecha Pucontis
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Posted - 2013.04.24 13:48:00 -
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Miles Harker wrote:Quote: Using +3 implants you'd only gain 350k fewer skillpoints, which is about 1 weeks worth of sub time.
I liken this change to learning skills, you think you're gaining skp by focusing on one thing. However, the best way to gain skillpoints is to enjoy the game so that you don't quit. I've learned this the hard way.
The character bazaar can be used to effectively buy skillpoints if you get good at making ISK.
I don't think I'm gaining skill points; I am gaining skill points and therefore time. Fact. I agree with you that you should do what you enjoy, not try min/max for the sake of it. It is a game. However, my personal circumstances, work etc. and my "long term" view on EVE accommodates the approach I'm currently taking with my skill plan. But that might not necessarily be the right choice for others. Here is one tip which I think may come in useful to you and also many new players who are focusing on long term planning. Something to remember about +5 implants is that a full set of +5 implants is the equivalent price of a PLEX which is a month of training time. I worked this out a long time ago, but basically if you install two +5 implants, one for the primary attribute and one for the secondary attribute, it will take roughly one year of extra training to be as cost efficient as simply buying a PLEX. And this is assuming that your +5 implants actually last for year.
If your looking at a full set of +5 implants then your talking over 2 years of training to match the cost efficiency of simply buying a PLEX.
If you are not concerned about money and have lots of real life money to burn or are very successful at making isk in the game then you can obviously get both. But to play this game smart it is good to think in terms of the opportunity costs of what you are doing despite +5s initially seeming like a good option. |

Rebecha Pucontis
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Posted - 2013.04.24 14:03:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Thank you for responses. Some of you called me moron/thick-headed/fail-planner etc others gave in-depth explanations which I additionally thank for to voice of reason
And both were correct.
No problem for the responses it is our pleasure. I won't bother reading the rest of your post and will assume you have realised that you were behaving like a self entitled baby, and you have calmed down now we have pointed out to you that you can still achieve BC and Dest if you stop complaining on the forums and play the game. |

Rebecha Pucontis
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Posted - 2013.04.24 14:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪand then there's the whole training time vs. speed gain to consider. It's not quite as large an affect as the ISK, but it's one to consider nevertheless.
The difference in skill training between +3 and +5 implants is 767,250 SP, and that training earns you a training speed increase of 180 more SP per hour (assuming you get a set that always cover what you're going to train). That means it takes 4260 hours / 177 days to earn back the time spent on training the Cybernetics skill.
Yes that is true. I deliberately left out the speed gain as I feel the isk factor is much more important for new players unless they are bankrolling themselves with real life cash.
But yes, if you work out the speed gain you are achieving roughly a month of extra SP over the course of one year over having +3s. And then you have to negate the cost of the cybernetics training time also. My maths is a little hazy as I worked it out a long time ago but I think that is roughly correct. |

Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:33:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Instead of talking, you guys should start shooting him.
Then, he could make another thread whining about how unfair it is that people kill him because he has an opinion.
Hmm. This is a tempting idea and I am considering setting the OP to red now and hunting him down for eternity. But then again not sure if its worth wasting my time. Lets see what other rubbish the OP comes out with and see if I change my mind. |
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